"XJDano" (xjdano)
02/02/2014 at 11:42 • Filed to: None
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"XJDano" (xjdano)
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First here it is available on you tube.
But can a team actually switch drivers from one team to another (1970 or 2014 rules)? I am pretty sure that wouldn't be allowed, but I am not up on any rules, I just watch.
My thought was when team manager came in the trailer to tell Steve get ready to drive, "They can't do that, but maybe in 1970 they could"
Edited for clarification, driver switching from a team car # 20 to team car #22 to drive the last stint.
Michael Ballaban
> XJDano
02/02/2014 at 11:43 |
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Unless I'm completely missing the question, teams not only can switch drivers, they must switch drivers. Having one guy drive for 24 hours straight is completely unsafe
Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2
> Michael Ballaban
02/02/2014 at 11:46 |
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He means switch drivers from other cars. I believe that Steve's car had crashed earlier, and the team manager wanted him to drive the last stint in the remaining lead car.
Joyrider
> XJDano
02/02/2014 at 11:49 |
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Its a 24 hours race driver changes are absolutely needed due to the level of focus and exertion its tough to stay on point for a few hours let alone a whole day and night. Typically drivers change every 2-4 hours, called stints. This allows the drivers to tay sharp an fast. Most teams have between 3-5 drivers ready. Most run 3-4 but may have an extra in the event of illness or some unforeseen circumstances.
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Michael Ballaban
> Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2
02/02/2014 at 11:49 |
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Oh. Never mind then.
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XJDano
> Michael Ballaban
02/02/2014 at 12:04 |
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Yes, the question is if a driver can drive for another team during the race. But thanks.
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XJDano
> Joyrider
02/02/2014 at 12:05 |
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The question is if a driver can drive for another team during the race but thanks.
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Joyrider
> XJDano
02/02/2014 at 12:09 |
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oh sorry I misunderstood.
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XJDano
> Joyrider
02/02/2014 at 12:13 |
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My fault for not wording the question properly. But also you should watch it to know what I'm talking about.
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ScreenShot
> XJDano
02/02/2014 at 12:15 |
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It took until 2014 for you to watch that movie?
What else have you not been exposed to?
Brief checklist to get you started so you can earn your wings:
- Rebel Without a Cause, 1955
- Thunder Road, 1958
- Grand Prix, 1966
- Vanishing Point, 1971
- Two-Lane Blacktop, 1971
- Bullitt, 1968
- American Graffiti, 1973
- Blues Brothers, 1980
- Christine, 1983
BullManUGA
> XJDano
02/02/2014 at 12:16 |
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In 2014 if a driver is not entered in a car he can't drive it. Also, in ALMS in the past, if a driver was going to drive two cars in the same class he had to pick which one he would score points in before the race. Scott Tucker regularly drove both of his Level 5 P2 cars last year. In the Rolex 24 last weekend there were several drivers that drove multiple cars in the race, but the cars were in separate classes. Paul Dalla Lana drove the GTE Aston Martin and the Turner GTD Z4.
In the 1970s, I do believe it was legal. I remember hearing about Mario Andretti's car crashing out of a long distance race, and he jumped in a team car and kept racing.
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XJDano
> ScreenShot
02/02/2014 at 12:22 |
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I have tried to start LeMans a couple times, and Grand Prix, but First time I actually finished it. I have seen a couple others on the list, and will be looking for the rest.
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Joyrider
> XJDano
02/02/2014 at 12:23 |
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I haven't seen it in a while. I probably should. I think a driver can switch teams if they haven't already driven in the race for another team yet, and are properly register as a competing driver. Atleast back then, probably not now or anytime recently. Back then I sure qualified backup drivers were harder to find in a pinch making the ability necessary back then I am guessing.
offyatindy
> XJDano
02/02/2014 at 12:51 |
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I can't speak to LeMans, but at the 1983 Daytona 24 Hours, driver swaps were allowed. Which allows me to recall the story of A.J. Foyt and the Porsche 935.
A.J. started the race in an Aston Martin, which broke after about 5 hours.
On a rainy dawn, the next day, Preston Henn, the owner and co-driver of the leading Porsche 935 asked A.J. to step in. A.J. had never been in a 935 before, so familiarized himself in a 935 that had retired earlier. He asked a mechanic about the shift pattern and the mechanic told him it was just like a Volkswagen (Beetle). To which A.J. replied, "Just how many times do you think I've driven a Volkswagen?"
Time to climb in the car and A.J.'s French co-drivers were miffed. "Just who the f..k is A.J. Foyt," Bob Wollek asked. If I recall (though I can't seem to confirm on the Internets), Claude Ballot-Lena, the other co-driver launched a tirade on Foyt's lack of familiarity with the Porsche and driving in the rain.
Turned out, A.J. turned the fastest laps of any driver in the wet and the car / team won the race. Wollek and A.J. became pretty good pals and won the race in 1985 too.
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offyatindy
> XJDano
02/02/2014 at 13:01 |
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I also recommend On Any Sunday with Steve McQueen. It's a motorcycle movie, of course, but along with LeMans (from the same time period) shaped my lifelong love of wheeled vehicles with loud motors.
Dusty Ventures
> XJDano
02/02/2014 at 13:25 |
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I don't know about LeMans rules, but in SCORE/BITD you can only drive a car you're registered for, but you can register as a driver for as many cars as you want. Some teams will register their fastest driver for all their cars purely so if said driver's main car breaks down he can jump into their next car and still race for a solid finish. Others have signed up for multiple cars in multiple classes purely for the fun of trying to get miles in as many different cars in a single race as possible (highest number I've heard in that game is 5).
revarthurbelling
> XJDano
02/02/2014 at 13:27 |
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Well, in Truth in 24 2, two of three Audi teams wrecked, and there wasn't even a suggestion of bringing in any of the other drivers for the 2 car.
F1Fan426
> XJDano
02/02/2014 at 14:26 |
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I believe they could back in the day. I know now days that every team has a drivers list for each car. So theoretically if a drivers name was listed for 2 different cars (on same team of course) he/she could theoretically do that. Or am I completely misunderstanding the question?
Maxton86
> XJDano
02/02/2014 at 14:55 |
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It was a fairly common practice for drivers on the same team to switch cars, if needed, back in the fifties and sixties and,perhaps, later. It was also done in Grand Prix teams. A well known example is Peter Collins turning over his Ferrari to Fangio at Monza after his car quit, so Fangio could still win the Championship that year, even though Peter Collins himself had a shot at the Championship.
There are many examples of teams bringing in a slower driver to hand over the car to the faster drivers or if one driver had more points for the year.
DHRacing
> XJDano
02/02/2014 at 17:56 |
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What about Le Mans in 1990 when Eliseo Salazar was taken out of the eventual winner, Silk Cut Jaguar XJR-12 #3, and replaced with Martin Brundle after his #1 went out. I seem to remember Salazar getting some kind of award for his moving aside even though only Brundle is credited in the history books with the win. Always wanted to know all the details of that story though...
I've also always wanted to know why Ed Hugus didn't get credit for winning in 1965 when he had I believe a single nighttime stint in the winning 250LM...
On a similar note, if anyone has an account of what happened with Peugeot's disagreement with Pedro Lamy at Le Mans in 2011 and why only Bourdais and Pagenaud drove in the latter parts of that year's race, I'd love to hear it